I love medical riddles. (I don't mean the "Why-did-the-doctor-give-up-his-practice?" --"Because-he-lost-his-patien-ce!" kind of riddle). I mean the kind that one wrestles with, the kind that is instructive, a teacher's tool, a way to make the student reason, formulate hypotheses, go to the book, research and eliminate possibilities . . . and come to the answer. Such riddles have a hallowed place in medicine--I remember these riddles only because I was asked them as a student and I learned something in trying to solve them.
So I'll often ask a medical student or resident, "Why do we say, 'Beware of the patient with a glass eye and a big liver?'"
If the student were to reason this out, the steps ideally might go something like this:
I wonder why the patient had a glass eye in the first place.
I suppose it could be trauma . . . could be a malignancy.
At this juncture the student might look up malignancies that occur in the eye and that justify removing an eye.
A melanoma in the eye is a common reason to remove an eye. (Or used to be--it has changed a bit with new treatment).
Now . . . how might I connect this to a big liver?
Hmmm. If melanoma metastasized to the liver, then they probably would never have taken the eye out in the first place and replaced it with a prosthetic eye.
At this point the student might look in a textbook or in UpToDate and find that ocular melanoma is famous for recurring years later with distant metastases. When it does return it often presents with new tumors in the liver. Bingo!
Ideally that's how a student would reason. If however the student were to decide to "google" the question by typing in "glass eye and big liver" as I just did, the first hit is NEJM: Solution to a Medical Mystery, which gives the answer to a photoquiz the New England Journal of Medicine put in its pages in 1997, showing an elderly lady with one eye that was clearly yellow with jaundice and the other which was pearly white. (The latter had to be a glass eye because there is no earthly reason for jaundice in just one eye. And she was jaundiced because she had melanoma metastases in the liver.) A total of 928 readers had the correct answer. No surprise I suppose because it's an old riddle.
If the Journal were to repeat the photoquiz with a similar patient in the years to come, Google would lead the readers right to the answer.
Which is why when I offered a new riddle to my students last week while we were rounding, I emphatically added, "Don't Google!" Nothing at all against Google--we're proud of Google at Stanford, and indeed my kid brother works there. But the point of the riddle is to search your brain, not Google. To reason and to come to the answer for the right reasons . . not just to come to the answer.
In case you're curious, the riddle I gave my students and which they are supposed to report on this week is:
A man walks into a bar, offers to keep his head completely submerged in a bucket of water for twenty minutes and if he doesnt he will buy drinks all around and if he does the patrons must stand him a round of drinks. He does and so they do. The question is how did he do it?
A clue? No hidden tracheostomy, and yes it's a medical condition that allows him to do this. And remember, don't google this riddle!
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Abraham Verghese
This riddle has been driving me insane! I'm assuming that the patient has not had a prior LMA / endotracheal tube placement with tubing that can be elevated over water level? And the patient is not hypothermic before he walks into the bar? And the patient doesn't have polycythemia vera and has not been preoxygenated? And the pt. has had a normal childbirth and is currently ex utero? So frustrating!
Yes to all these assumptions. And I admire your restraint in not googling!
First of all, thanks so much for the riddle -- it has certainly been a large splinter in my mind!
I'm afraid that I completely forgot about considering the patency of the pt's respiratory tract -- after much thought, the top diagnosis on my differential is a type of respiratory fistula.
From my rotations on pediatrics, I understand that breath-holding spells can last a maximum of three to five minutes before loss of consciousness occurs. The fact that the presented pt is able to maintain consciousness for a span of twenty minutes implies that he must have some sort of accessory airway that allows robust oxygen saturation without a clear nasopharyngeal airway. I understand that several diseases, such as Crohn's disease (sinus tract formation), congenital malformations, or pneumothorax can create such a desired accessory airway.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure if my answer is remotely correct, given that the presented patient appears to be in good health prior to his stunt (given that the patient is capable of walking and talking). I'm also fairly certain that sinus tracts and fistulas are preemptively closed in order to prevent infection.
I'm definitely looking forward to hear what the solution is to this riddle. I shall be sure to pass the conundrum on to my fellow M3s.
Is this the head on top of his neck? Otherwise, it would be quite easy using a head that's lower down.
:-)
some exaggerated and very reliable diving reflex? never heard if that exists (and would seem crazy to trigger for a few free beers) but as wearing a helmet or using a straw are not medical conditions... Or is he a conjoined twin (but this would be less spectacular to the other bar patrons)?
incompetent LES -- he gulps air into his stomach before "diving" and can regurgitate it into his airway.
It's an old Houdini trick...
So dmaduram's postulate is getting pretty close.
Glossopharyngeal inhalation is commonly use to increase lung volume about vital capacity prior prolonged apnea. Competitive breath old divers use glossopharyngeal breathing in order to increase their performance. This breathing technique as a supplementary form of ventilatory support that can assure respiratory autonomy in patients affected by muscular paralysis of various origin, in particular in those with neuromuscular diseases and consequences of spinal cord injury. All the best.
Massimo Bolognesi MD_ Cesena Italy
Is it a bucket of ice cubes, and the medical reason he keep his head in the cold for 20 mins is that he is drunk?
So the answer . . . and I hate to give this out because it can now be googled . . .is NOT ice cubes, or hyperventilation then apnea or incompetent LES.
The answer is that the patient had an old empyema which ruptured to the outside (the so called 'empyema necessitans') and then left him with a bronchopleural fistula that did not heal and allowed him (at least in theory) to ventilate his lungs. Whether such a patient would in fact have the ability to walk to a bar and dunk his head in a bucket and so on is debatable, or whether he would even have the desire is another question, but that is the answer to the riddle.
Would love to hear some of your riddles
Thank you all for the comments
The wealth of information that's now available to us with just a few keystrokes is simply amazing. Has Google killed the riddle? Maybe so, in the same way the calculator killed basic arithmetic. Practitioners of medicine, math, or any other field must not let their basic skills atrophy simply because it's easy to get a quick answer. As Abraham points out, the real learning comes from puzzling through the problem, not flipping to the back of the book for the solution.
I think technology should be used as a tool to help us solve problems which would be difficult or impossible to solve using human power alone. Technology should be a tool, not a crutch. Unfortunately learning how to use a tool effectively can be challenging, and it's easy to just lean on the crutch that's readily accessible.
It's important to understand what your chosen tool is doing on your behalf so that you can apply the human skill of critical reasoning. That's something technology will likely never replace.
Full disclosure: I'm Abraham's kid brother (I love being called that now that I have more gray in my beard than black) that works at Google. I'm speaking for myself, not my riddle-killing employer.
Just a quick note, but to Phil, I *love* the quote "[R]eal learning comes from puzzling through the problem, not flipping to the back of the book for the solution" -- what a wonderful way to capture the essence of education!
Google is most big encyclopedia, useful only for references. For serious thinking it is riddle.Google killed book reading and it killed our thinking faculty, we have no time for thinking.
I think Google is curse to mankind.Google pouring so much information man could not compete with this information most information is useless.and their lifespan is momentary.within second we forget it.I think Google make man as a machine just robot this one tragedy of mankind.
Is that you, Latka?
The answer is on YouTube:
http://pharmagossip.blogspot.com/2009/05/medical-riddle.html